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  From:  NelleRebel   3/11/2003 8:08 am  
To:  ALL   (1 of 20)  
 
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I hope this makes you think. . . .What activities do you plan for Sunday? How do you honor the Sabbath/Sunday? I'm doing alittle research on the subject :) 

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  From:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    3/22/2003 1:05 pm  
To:  NelleRebel   (2 of 20)  
 
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On Sunday I work. I try to get my laundry caught up, and do odds and ends to catch up from my job. I clean house and do some cooking and watch baseball (I'm a baseball junkie.) 
NOW, on the sabbath, I go to erev Shabbat services (Friday night), I study the bible, I go online and fellowship with other sabbath keepers and have fellowship with my family. 

On Saturday night, when the sabbath is over, I also do some housework. 

Thanks for asking 

Shabbat Shalom (Sabbath peace)

Barbara 
  
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  From:  Hamilton109   3/26/2003 10:25 am  
To:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    (3 of 20)  
 
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Dittos. 
I may go online on Shabbat, but only to do faith related stuff. If it feels like work, I don't do it. 

Hamilton
 
  
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  From:  NelleRebel   3/31/2003 11:52 am  
To:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    (4 of 20)  
 
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Shalom to you too. 
  
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  From:  leahgolden   4/5/2003 10:03 pm  
To:  NelleRebel unread  (5 of 20)  
 
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While doing your research on the subject, I hope you learn that Sunday is not the Sabbath, never has been and never will be. 
The Roman Catholic Church started Sunday worship and sadly many of the Protestant denominations have follwed in her errant footsteps.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/6/2003 9:03 am  
To:  leahgolden   (6 of 20)  
 
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Hi Leahgolden,

Correct Sunday is not the Sabbath.

But it is Jesus that started Sunday Worship as that is the Day the that He Rose from the Dead it is the Glorious Resurrection of Jesus that the Church gathers to commemorate every Sunday when it gathers, the Church is not gathering to Rest but to Rejoice!

Saturday  Jewish Feast day  Commandment day of Sabbath

Sunday  Acknowledgement of the Resurrection of Jesus  Jesus Lives!

Thanks for your post,
God Bless you,
David A. Brown



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  From:  leahgolden   4/6/2003 10:15 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 20)  
 
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Please give me the scriptural reference to Jesus changing the Sabbath. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/6/2003 11:54 am  
To:  leahgolden   (8 of 20)  
 
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Hi Leahgolden,

Im Very Glad that you are asking for Scripture evidence to support my position :o) 

However I did not say that Jesus changed the Sabbath, I reiterated that the Sabbath is on Saturday.

The Sabbath is Saturday.

The Church is Not Resting (Except for resting in Jesus) on Sunday but is Celebrating the Resurrection of Jesus.

I hope that this has helped make my position clear.

Im Really Concerned that many Christians do not seem to understand the meaning of Sunday Worship!

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    4/12/2003 8:39 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 20)  
 
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Did you open the door for me? <grin> 
Yeshua on the first day of the week. This is in accordance with the feast of Bikkurim, or First Fruits. 

I can provide a link if you like. 

But Jesus did NOT come out of the grave on Sunday. He came out on the first day of the week which began at sunset Saturday night. There is no biblical evidence that it was before or after midnight. 

Shalom

Barbara 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/13/2003 4:43 pm  
To:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    (10 of 20)  
 
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Hi Barbara,

The Resurrection did occur on Sunday as Sunday is the First day of the Week.

Saturday the Sabbath day is the 7th day of the Week as commanded by God to Moses. True the Jewish Saturday starting at Sundown starts about 4 hours prior to the Gentile Saturday which starts later at 12:00 midnight.

Exodus 20:10 But the Seventh day is the Sabbath.. "Saturday"

Luke 24:1 Now upon the First day of the week (Sunday), very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulcher (tomb), bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. And they entered in , and found not the body of Jesus.

In establishing a time for the Resurrection  the disciples arrive at the tomb exactly at about Sunrise so we know that Jesus did not Resurrect later than sunrise and some might wonder is He rose earlier than Sunrise but the Biblical answer is no.

Jesus physically entered into the world in His Virgin birth at night into the darkness of this world  representing that Jesus is the light that shined - came into the dark world.

Likewise Jesus (the Light of the world) Resurrected at Sunrise as His Resurrection is the new Dawn of Everlasting Life.

And this is evident in the names and prophecies that are applied to Jesus as He is the "Day Spring (Sunrise) from on High" 

Isaiah 60:1 Arise (Sunrise), shine; for thy light is come, and the Glory of the LORD is Risen (Resurrected) upon thee.

2 Corinthians 4:3,4 But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the Glory of God in the face (appearance) of Jesus Christ.

Romans 13:11,12 And that knowing the Time, that now it is high time to Awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand (sunrise- Resurrection of Jesus): let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.

It is evident that the Church that worships on Sunday in commemoration and Glory of the Resurrection of Jesus does know exactly what it is doing and why it is doing it.

God Bless you,
David A. Brown



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  From:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    5/10/2003 7:59 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 20)  
 
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Hi, 
I didn't get notification of this, or I would have responded sooner. Ain't technology great? 

You said: 
Saturday the Sabbath day is the 7th day of the Week as commanded by God to Moses. True the Jewish Saturday starting at Sundown starts about 4 hours prior to the Gentile Saturday which starts later at 12:00 midnight. 

I don't understand. Where can I read about a "gentile sabbath" or for that matter a "Jewish sabbath?" All sabbaths belong to God. Lev. 26. 

There is NO prohibition from worshipping God on Sunday or Tuesday or Thursday. The first believers met EVERY day in the Temple. (I think Acts 5?) I never criticize people for Sunday worship, however, I cannot agree that there is any such thing as a "Christian/Gentile/Jewish sabbath." There is ONE sabbath: the 7th day which God says is His: 

Lev 26:2 
2 'You shall keep My sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary; I am the LORD. 
(NAS) 

Lev 19:30 
30 'You shall keep My sabbaths and revere My sanctuary; I am the LORD. 
(NAS) 

Lev 19:3 
3 'Every one of you shall reverence his mother and his father, and you shall keep My sabbaths; I am the LORD your God. 
(NAS) 

You might also want to look at Isaiah 56. 

Thanks for letting me share. 

Barbara 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/11/2003 8:17 am  
To:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    (12 of 20)  
 
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Hi Barbara,

Thank you for sharing!

We have been in agreement all along regarding the Sabbath.

Every day belongs to God and Every moment of Every day is an opportunity for man to Fellowship with God.

Sometime I would like to move beyond the "Sunday" Sabbath issue and talk about the "New Covenant" because that is an issue that is even more co-opted than the ,Sunday Sabbath, as many people teach that the "New Covenant" is a Gentile Covenant that was Given to the Gentiles and Not to the Jews by teaching that the New Covenant is the Evangelistic message given by Jesus to go and Preach to all the world.

Its wrongly taught that Matthew 28:18-20 is the New Covenant

Matthew 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, an of the Son and of the Holy Ghost  

This is a Marvelous command from God to Evangelize the world but since there is no blood shed to compact this command it is not a New, New Covenant it is a Command extending from the Covenant of the Shed Blood of the Cross of Jesus.

Hebrew 9:16,17 For where a Testament (Covenant) is, there Must Also of necessity be the death of the Testator. For a Testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the Testator liveth.


Since the person making out the will can change it at any moment the "Strength" is in the person and not the contract after the death the person cannot change the Will or document so the Strength is in the document.

The New Covenant of Jesus is Strictly a Jewish Covenant there is no separate Covenant of Blood for the Gentiles.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold days come, saith the LORD that I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel (10 northern tribes) and with the house of Judah (two southern tribes).

Jeremiah 34:34  for I will forgive their iniquity, and remember their sin no more.

Matthew 26:26-30  Jesus .. Said .. For this is My Blood of the New Testament which is shed for many for the Remission of Sin.

The Apostle Paul explains that we are Brought into the Promises and Covenants that Belong to the Jews but that God has only one set of Promises for all mankind and that is given to Abraham and lived out through his descendants.

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye (Gentiles) were without Christ, being Aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh (close) by the Blood of Christ. For He is our Peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

God Bless you,
David A. Brown

 



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  From:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    5/11/2003 10:11 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (13 of 20)  
 
  569.13 in reply to 569.12  
 
I have to admit, it is exciting to see a Christian studying the Word! I'm thrilled! 
Let me put a small bug in your ear... 

It IS true the New Covenant is made with Judah and Israel (Jeremiah 31.) But let me ask, to what are Gentiles grafted into per Romans 11? 

Are they not grafted into the covenants? 

And think about the word "Gentiles.." (Some translations say Greeks.) 

Many times the word represents a pagan concept rather than simply a non-Jew concept. After all, aren't Gentiles who have rejected paganism and joined the God of Israel no longer "gentile" but a NEW creature? 

Just some food for thought :) 

Shalom

Barbara 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/11/2003 2:06 pm  
To:  Barbara (BARBARA3)    (14 of 20)  
 
  569.14 in reply to 569.13  
 
Hi Barbara,

We are in one of my favorite areas. 

I have a book outlined on this topic and have delayed it slightly in favor of Basic Christian: Theology and Basic Christian: Maturity but I definitely want to get that book out about Jews-Gentiles, regarding who is saved and who is not, and about how the Gospel spreads and is received etc. It is an interesting topic to many people and Im often asked to explain it.

Yes, Gentiles are brought into the covenants via the Blood of Jesus therefore Circumcision is not required for the gentile.

Regarding Romans Chapter 11, I think that what is important is that the Apostle Paul is Referencing the "Olive Tree" who is the "Holy Spirit" because he is contrasting the Jew and the Gentile relationship with God as Ultimately Everyone who believes is Actually (Per John Chapter 15) Grafted into "The Vine" who is "Jesus."

The reason that Paul is referencing the "Olive Tree" and not the "Vine" is because to be broken off from the Vine is to lose your Salvation it is final and absolute as the final result of being broken off from the vine is to be burned in the fire (hell). Paul is mentioning that Israel is going to be re-grafted into a relationship with the Holy Spirit and therefore it is illustrated by the "Olive Tree."

But Always keep in mind that Ultimately the Believer is a Branch of the Vine  Jesus.

God Bless you,
David A. Brown



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  From:  miche915   5/22/2003 11:05 am  
To:  NelleRebel   (15 of 20)  
 
  569.15 in reply to 569.1  
 
on the Sabbath I rest, try to help my neighbor, study Gods word, teach my children Gods word. On Sunday I work. 
  
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  From:  NelleRebel   6/4/2003 11:21 am  
To:  miche915   (16 of 20)  
 
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Good for you. . . why do't more than 2 millions Christians do the same thing? 
  
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  From:  miche915   6/4/2003 11:29 am  
To:  NelleRebel   (17 of 20)  
 
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I dont think they know any better. I didnt up until a year ago. I never knew I was taught wrong to begin with. Most people are following mans tradition and dont have any idea that its wrong. 
  
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  From:  NelleRebel   6/4/2003 11:31 am  
To:  miche915   (18 of 20)  
 
  569.18 in reply to 569.17  
 
good, so what can we do to change things? 
  
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  From:  miche915   6/5/2003 6:00 am  
To:  NelleRebel   (19 of 20)  
 
  569.19 in reply to 569.18  
 
spread the word... 
  
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   From:  NelleRebel   6/9/2003 6:40 am  
To:  miche915   (20 of 20)  
 
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And how do you pupose we do that?! 
  
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